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11/1/56 9:48:24 AM Opening ╥Skating Log 06/02/94╙ for recording. Sita895661 : hi LeeAnn! LeeAnn 1 : Hi Sita! LeeAnn 1 : How are you doing? Sita895661 : pretty good, and you? LeeAnn 1 : Hi Faxel! Sita895661 : hi Faxel! LeeAnn 1 : Not bad, thanks. Faxel 1 : Hi leeAnn, Sita. How are things? LeeAnn 1 : Tonight's topic is figure skating coverage by the media. Do you all have any suggestions for questions LeeAnn 1 : and stuff? LeeAnn 1 : Should I take that as a no? JL Pooley : Hi folks Sita895661 : Hi Janet! LeeAnn 1 : Hi Janet! How are you doing? Faxel 1 : Ooops! I forgot that was tonight's topic. I'm trying to think fast now! LeeAnn 1 : Have you completed your tour? JL Pooley : I am in Florida and it has RAINED every day, boooooooooo LeeAnn 1 : How did you get online? Parent's computer? JL Pooley : Got one more tour stop, LeeAnn -- unless I add another, of course! :) LeeAnn 1 : Sorry to hear about the rain. LeeAnn 1 : Anything new on the tour? JL Pooley : Borrowed a computer from work -- can't go to the beach so I've been playing on AOL. JL Pooley : I got bad news LeeAnn -- Prince Brian's been out. LeeAnn 1 : I've heard that. I know he was scheduled not to be on some tour spots, but supposedly he's hurt his LeeAnn 1 : knee or something? Sita895661 : No Brian? Bummer..I'm going next week! Faxel 1 : Is he out for the tour? JL Pooley : I overheard somebody in Greensboro say that SHE'D heard he'd hurt his knee in practice. Sita895661 : but I see Elvis is back! JL Pooley : I'm going again Sunday, Sita, I'll let you know if he's there. JL Pooley : Hi Laura! LauraP1808 : Hi All JL Pooley : He'll come back if he's healthy, Faxel. Sita895661 : hi Laura! LauraP1808 : Where's Brenda? Faxel 1 : Will you believe I won't see the tour till July? Oh well, at least I'll see them on my birthday :) Pattern99 : Hi all. LauraP1808 : Hi JL Pooley : Hi Pattern LeeAnn 1 : Hi Laura and pattern 99 JL Pooley : Dunno where Brenda is, Laura. Is she hosting? LauraP1808 : No LeeAnn is I thought LeeAnn 1 : He's scheduled not to perforum between May 22 and June 2. Sita895661 : who, Brian? LeeAnn 1 : NOpe, I am. We should get started now. I was just waiting for people to show. Faxel 1 : That doesn't sound like an injury, in that case! JL Pooley : Oh, good, that means he'll be there on Sunday. I hope I get the chair encore.... LeeAnn 1 : My system is very slow tonight, so I'm sorry if my comments are coming late. Sita895661 : OK! LeeAnn 1 : Yes, Brian. JL Pooley : Yeah, I don't know if what I overheard is correct or not, Faxel. LeeAnn 1 : Faxel - it's a rest for him built into the touring schedule. Faxel 1 : Have you guys heard Oksana and Victor have changed agents? LauraP1808 : Yes LeeAnn 1 : Because of his injuries. Let us know if he shows, Janet. LauraP1808 : Originally it seemed everyone had that agent JL Pooley : Hey LeeAnn, when's the closing date for the tour again? I don't have my list here. LeeAnn 1 : Okay, since tonight's topic is skating journalism/media coverage, I thought we'd start out Pattern99 : No, who is the new agent? LauraP1808 : Anyone see Skating Magazine this week? LauraP1808 : Journalistically speaking THEY ARE SO SLOW IN REPORTING THINGS JL Pooley : No Laura, mine's probably in my mailbox. Faxel 1 : Rosenberg, you mean? I can't think of the name of hte new agent right now. Apparently Oksana almost LeeAnn 1 : with the skating magazines out there. What's the difference between them, which ones are good, etc... Sita895661 : Recent articles: the Oksana story in Life and the article in Ms. LeeAnn 1 : Julye 12 Faxel 1 : had a six-figure deal worked out when they were forced to change agents. JL Pooley : Thanks LeeAnn LauraP1808 : Personally, I think Skating is the worst Lee Ann JL Pooley : Forced by whom, Faxel? Ukraine? LeeAnn 1 : Guys - I'm just testing to see how long it takes for this to post. It's exacting 10:09 on my watch now JL Pooley : Maybe you should sign off and sign on again, LeeAnn. Sounds like you have a slow node. Faxel 1 : Sounds like some Ukrainian officials, or possibly Galina. I think this is a terrible decision for them LeeAnn 1 : That took two minutes. I have to sign off and on again. I'm sorry. I'll be right back. LeeAnn 1 : Hi, Sorry about that. Faxel 1 : IMG is still bigger. JL Pooley : Last year Viktor performed quite a bit in Las Vegas, not on a tour at all. JL Pooley : Welcome back LeeAnn. Is that better? LauraP1808 : True Sita895661 : If they switch for IMG, then is no worse, but I hear the Ukrainian FSA wanted to manage them.. LeeAnn 1 : Yes, it's coming up right away, now. Faxel 1 : That's true. I tend to forget about shows I can't see. LauraP1808 : How will they manage them in SImsbury, Connecticut?[g] Pattern99 : Rosenberg is going to put together his own tour next year. Faxel 1 : I'm sure they won't switch to IMG. JL Pooley : Oh, there's a Ukrainian embassy there Laura, didn't you know? [g] Faxel 1 : Rosenberg has had his own tour for a few years. LauraP1808 : Why, yes, I've toured it before JL Pooley : I guess we should let LeeAnn take over now that shes back...... LeeAnn 1 : Okay, getting back to the topic.... What do you all think of the skating magazines? LeeAnn 1 : Thanks, Janet. JL Pooley : I wish they were more readily available. LauraP1808 : Well, I said previously that I thought Skating was the worst LeeAnn 1 : Faxel, I think it was you who said Skating isn't very good. I'd agree. They don't really have any LeeAnn 1 : aritcles. JL Pooley : Keeping up with my subscriptions is tough. Faxel 1 : ABout magazines -- depends what you're interested in. Pictures? Editorial pages? Competitions? LeeAnn 1 : Oops, Sorry, Laura. It was you who said it. Faxel 1 : They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Sita895661 : As a person who doesn't subscribe, I wish I could find them in a book store or library.. LauraP1808 : Blades and Patinage has the best pictures IMHO JL Pooley : Skating also looks rather hideous, now, since they redesigned it. Sita895661 : easily... Faxel 1 : Skating now looks more like a kids magazine. It is a kids magazine. LeeAnn 1 : I don't think I've ever seen one on a newstand JL Pooley : Patinage is devine.... LauraP1808 : ]This month they tried harder I think Pattern99 : I like Skaters Edge. LeeAnn 1 : You like the smaller version, Janet? Faxel 1 : Blades is going on the newsstand in July. LeeAnn 1 : I bought Patinage once, but it was all in French, the didn't send me the englich copy. Faxel 1 : I understand Elvis will be on the cover. JL Pooley : I thought the smaller version was much easier to read and slightly more intelligent. LauraP1808 : IDo you mean the newsletter from Delaware, Pattern? LeeAnn 1 : What's the Skater's Edge. LeeAnn 1 : I'd agree, Janet. JL Pooley : They have this thing now about using BLURRY photographs in a faux-artsy manner. JL Pooley : Skater's edge is definitely the one for technical stuff. Faxel 1 : The content of Patinage stinks, but it looks very professional. LeeAnn 1 : They like collages too much, too. JL Pooley : It's also beautifully laid=out -- take THAT, skating! LauraP1808 : I wish they'd expand Skater's Edge, but I don't know if they have the $$ Pattern99 : Skaters Edge is published in Kensington MD by Alice Berman LeeAnn 1 : Guys, what is Skater's Edge? LauraP1808 : I thought it was the one that Luddy was part of LeeAnn 1 : Hi HL! Sita895661 : I think its a new mag, LeeAnn. HLSmith1 : hello! Faxel 1 : It's newsletter. JL Pooley : It's a newsletter-format mag that contains primarily articles about technique, LeeAnn. LeeAnn 1 : Is it very good? Does it have photos, or just articles? LeeAnn 1 : Ah, thanks. JL Pooley : It has articles and drawings. LauraP1808 : No real pictures LeeAnn 1 : Have any of you read the FRS magazine? JL Pooley : Well-done drawings. JL Pooley : FRS? Faxel 1 : FRS? LeeAnn 1 : I may have the initials wrong. The new figure skating one. JL Pooley : IFS. JL Pooley : I sent them a check, but haven't gotten anything yet. I have to call when I get home. LeeAnn 1 : That's it, Janet. JL Pooley : International Figure Skating LauraP1808 : That's the one that supposedly you can buy in bookstores etc. Sita895661 : Well, I don't see it.. JL Pooley : "Supposedly" seems to be the right word, so far. LeeAnn 1 : I have yet to see a copy, though. From what I've heard, it is pretty good. LeeAnn 1 : Hi Brenda. BrendaW660 : Hi, all, sorry I'm late. JL Pooley : Hi Brenda!! LeeAnn 1 : Linda forwarded everyone an article from their premiere issue. Faxel 1 : I don't think it's on the newsstand. But Blades on Ice will be. LauraP1808 : That's another one that comes out of Massachusetts LeeAnn 1 : It was about judging and the future of skaitng, remember? BrendaW660 : Int'l Figure Skating will be too. JL Pooley : at this point I'm worried about the future of IFS and my check! LauraP1808 : I haven't seen it, but why is it considered "industry-related"? Faxel 1 : That's strange, since it's not the type of publication a general audience would be interested in LeeAnn 1 : I don't know Laura. I haven't seen it, but I was wondering that myself. LauraP1808 : Did you subscribe to it already Faxel? LeeAnn 1 : Janet,teh next issue is supposed to be out soon. If you don't get the next one, call them up. Faxel 1 : It has coverage of the people behing the stars, for the most part. Faxel 1 : Although it did have a piece on Elaine Zayak. LauraP1808 : Who is behind the stars Faxel? JL Pooley : I'll read anything, Faxel. LauraP1808 : This months Skating has an article on Elaine too LeeAnn 1 : How many do you subscribe to, Janet? JL Pooley : I'M behind the stars, Laura! [g] I certainly buy enough tickets!! Faxel 1 : I'm sure you will, and so will I! But I don't know about most people out there. JL Pooley : Patinage, Skating, ASW, Tracings LauraP1808 : Brenda, Janet deserves AT LEAST one article LeeAnn 1 : Not bad. :D Sita895661 : Brenda's bumped.. LeeAnn 1 : What are ASW and Tracing's like? JL Pooley : The problem is, I've got them all coming due at the same time! Big mistake... LeeAnn 1 : That is Tracings. LauraP1808 : I get Skater's Edge and the Parent's newsletter, which is TERRIBLE JL Pooley : ASW has, mostly, pretty good writing. Good updates on tours. LeeAnn 1 : Hello Puther. JL Pooley : Tracings also has good writing, HORRIBLE layout. Puther : hi Faxel 1 : Tracings isn't bad but looks so unprofessional it's painful. ASW has pretty good articles, but it's LauraP1808 : I like Tracings, I've always gotten that. I feel OBLIGATED to keep it Faxel 1 : printed on newspaper-type paper, so the photos don't look too hot. JL Pooley : Hi again, Brenda. LauraP1808 : because of the Clarke's JL Pooley : Oh, and Blades. I forgot I also get Blades. Faxel 1 : I like Tracings, too. I just don't understand whythe Clarkes won't buy a decent computer. JL Pooley : And then there's the Lenzi Foundation newsletter, which I think LOOKS just gorgeous.... [g] Faxel 1 : It's so easy to do good layouts nowadays. LauraP1808 : I will ask them onme of these days LeeAnn 1 : I've been thinking of getting another magazine. I just got Blades, but maybe ASW will be good also. Faxel 1 : I've been on their case for a while. Sigh. JL Pooley : I wrote the Clarkes' a letter about that Laura, but they ignored me... LauraP1808 : That doesn' t sound like them LeeAnn 1 : Lenzi foundation is gorgeous. They must have highly taletned people working for them. :) And the LauraP1808 : and it's not as if Ted doesn't have experience in publishing etc. LeeAnn 1 : insight into their dance aritcles is astounding. :) JL Pooley : Well, they responded to my letter, but made no changes. They won't even spell-check. Faxel 1 : IF he does,it doesn't show in e format. JL Pooley : I really miss Frank Loeser Nowasad's Dance articles!! Faxel 1 : the format, I mean. BrendaW660 : geez I'm having trouble with AOL tonight! Pattern99 : Brendas not having any luck tonite. JL Pooley : Thank you LeeAnn! [bowing] LauraP1808 : It is a home publication basically, and for that it isn't bad I suppose LeeAnn 1 : Glad you're back, Brenda. You're welcome, Janet. BrendaW660 : Which one? JL Pooley : Oh, it's a great mag, Laura, but so hard to read! LauraP1808 : Tracings JL Pooley : Tracings, Brenda. Faxel 1 : By the way, the Lenzi foundation also has a phone hotline. It's great for info during competitions. BrendaW660 : Oh ...yes, my favorite <g> JL Pooley : You wanna invite people to read, not turn them away by looking like a legal brief. LauraP1808 : I thought it was disconnected for awhile BrendaW660 : I wasn't being fecetious (didn't want that <g> to be misinterpreted) JL Pooley : It took a hiatus, Laura. I think it comes back this month. JL Pooley : Newsletter too a hiatus, too. JL Pooley : took, I mean LauraP1808 : I like ASW, but hate the newsprint BrendaW660 : me too JL Pooley : ASW is easy to fold up and carry in my purse, though. [g] LeeAnn 1 : What do you all think of local coverage? If weren't for the whole Nancy/Tonya hype, we'd hardly ever BrendaW660 : Good point, Janet LeeAnn 1 : have an skating aritcle here. With the exception of the John Powers Olympics column. BrendaW660 : Well, it's at least put skating in the papers here ... it got zero coverage before LauraP1808 : LeeAnn, you'd enjoy Tracings for that because it still covers our area even though it JL Pooley : The Washington Post virtually ignores Michael Weiss, and he's the Junior World Champion. LauraP1808 : branched out big time a couple of years ago LeeAnn 1 : We did get results to competitions sometimes, but that is it. Just alisting. LeeAnn 1 : Laura - is it Tracings or ASW that is on newsprint? Faxel 1 : Sports editors just don't want to believe skating is popular. They're too set in their ways. LauraP1808 : ASW JL Pooley : ASW, LeeAnn LeeAnn 1 : Is Tracing the one that is poorly done? Pattern99 : The Post had five lines about Michael going to the Goodwill Games. LauraP1808 : Skating did report the break up of J. Paul Binnebose and Sara Ward and BrendaW660 : I'm surprised they mentioned it at all this early. LeeAnn 1 : You'd think someone for the post would take a bit of notice on Michael Weiss. JL Pooley : Perhaps they're finally waking up. LauraP1808 : Laura Murphy and Brian Wells Sita895661 : The Chicago Tribune usually does a decent job.. LeeAnn 1 : Oh, I did read in my paper today that Elizabeth Punsalen's brother was declard mentally incompetent LeeAnn 1 : for trial. JL Pooley : so tired of couples breaking up.... LauraP1808 : Yes, he thinks he's Jesus JL Pooley : Since when did Jesus stab people with a knife? Geez, he's sick. LauraP1808 : Interesting to note that J. Paul's new partner is Jacqui Davidson JL Pooley : Jacqui Davidson? I don't know her. LauraP1808 : He thought his father was the devil. Jacki is JOHN's daughter JL Pooley : Ohhhhhhhh..... LauraP1808 : You're probably all too young to know him JL Pooley : Nahhhhhhh.... Faxel 1 : Chatty group we are tonight, eh? LauraP1808 : I'm trying my best to stay on topic[g] HLSmith1 : Yes Sita895661 : What do you all think about the Life article on Oksana? BrendaW660 : Who thougth his father was the devil? JL Pooley : Waiting for LeeAnn to drag us back on topic.... LeeAnn 1 : Okay, what do you all think of online services as a medium? We certainly do cover the sport -- in a LeeAnn 1 : way. JL Pooley : Ricky Punsalan, Brenda LauraP1808 : I would like to read it, but not yet BrendaW660 : ah ... LeeAnn 1 : There you go, Janet. :D JL Pooley : I hate Life articles. They're far too short! LauraP1808 : nobody could find it for me BrendaW660 : And Life turned the Protopopovs down! JL Pooley : Online services are a GODSEND for skating fans... BrendaW660 : I think so too Janet JL Pooley : You want my copy, Laura? I'm done with it. LauraP1808 : Can you copy it? LeeAnn 1 : We can more information at a faster rate than publicatins. BrendaW660 : Especially when you are in a skating-deprived state like mine. JL Pooley : I would NEVER hear some stuff otherwise. LauraP1808 : You don't have to send me the original, but I'd like to read it HLSmith1 : i havent read life yet but i will,im a big oksana fan Sita895661 : And the internet is a good source.. LauraP1808 : HI CONNIE! BrendaW660 : Hi, Connie LeeAnn 1 : There is a huge poole of people on the internet system. JL Pooley : Hi Connie!!! LeeAnn 1 : Hi Connie. CKSutcliff : Hi Y'all! LeeAnn 1 : Hello Bafalomew. BrendaW660 : But you know, it can get overwhelming. Our AOL group is manageable to read messages, BrendaW660 : etc, but adding the Internet adds major volume. JL Pooley : Yeah, with the Internet you get people in Canada, England, Australia, etc. BrendaW660 : But it does add a dimension to the discussion having the other nations ... Faxel 1 : WIth Internet, is there any way to get to the end of the list of messages for the skating newsgroup? LeeAnn 1 : On the internet board, you really have to pick the topics you want to read about. There is a LOT of LeeAnn 1 : volumen. LauraP1808 : I still can't GET to Internet Pattern99 : Neither can I. Sita895661 : use keyword INTERNET Faxel 1 : It takes hours, literally to get to the current messages. Any suggestions? HLSmith1 : How do you get there JL Pooley : I get on the Internet through Delphi, because AOL's access is too clumsy. LeeAnn 1 : Faxel - go much more frequently. There about 100 messages every day. If you don't keep up, it is LeeAnn 1 : overwhelming. LeeAnn 1 : Hi Julie! JL Pooley : Hi Julie! Sita895661 : Faxel, next time you read, use "update all as read", that way its cleared.. CKSutcliff : Internet has sure been getting alot of news attention lately. HLSmith1 : hi julie CKSutcliff : Hi Julie Faxel 1 : But what do you do the first time? Spend half a day getting to the end of the list? JulieD3964 : Hello everyone Pattern99 : I'v tried INTERNET but the old Apple won't pick it up. Pattern99 : Hi Julie Sita895661 : Well, yeah..first time is a bummer.. JulieD3964 : Hi Mike! LeeAnn 1 : Faxel - Yes, you have to. Or you can just skip over them and update them as being read. Sita895661 : Hi Julie.. Faxel 1 : Oh well, such is life. . . Thanks! LauraP1808 : I have Prodigy too and they now have live chat too. LeeAnn 1 : Are any of you on the internet mailing list? I know you are, Janet. JL Pooley : Do they? I may have to try them again. I hate missing possible information! [g] Faxel 1 : I tried Prodigy during the Olympics (before discovering AOL) and I HATED it. Terribly clumsy Sita895661 : For internet, I like access through Delphi, like Janet.. Faxel 1 : and slow. JL Pooley : Yeah, there's so much text on the Internet that using a program with lots of graphics is slooooooww. Pattern99 : Slower than this? LeeAnn 1 : Faxel, do you have a Mac? LauraP1808 : I find it faster than here, but maybe it's the 9600 Faxel 1 : Yup! JL Pooley : It's also called "Plodigy," Faxel. [g] Faxel 1 : It figures :) LeeAnn 1 : That's why. It's IBM based so we who have macs also have problems on Prodigy. LeeAnn 1 : Janet, how is Delphi internet different? LauraP1808 : I dont understand computer stuff as you know but *P* is MUCH faster for me LauraP1808 : is it because I have an IBM? JL Pooley : Well, it's entirely text-based, LeeAnn. Remember how I showed you CompuServe? It's like that. JL Pooley : Yes, Laura, it is. The people who wrote the Plodigy software must hate macs. LeeAnn 1 : I think so, Laura. It is bout 3-4 times slower on Prodigy for me (Mac user). JL Pooley : Plus, don't you use 9600 baud, Laura? LauraP1808 : Yes LeeAnn 1 : That was faster, Janet. LauraP1808 : whatever that is[g] JL Pooley : That also helps. JL Pooley : It just means the stuff goes over the phone lines mucho faster.... LeeAnn 1 : Hello Ubiquino. Ubiquino : Hi LeeAnn. Ubiquino : Does anyone know where I can find a Red Sox schedule on AOL? LauraP1808 : Julie, you have to visit me soon and give me an in person computer lesson JL Pooley : Did Brenda get punted again? Sita895661 : sorry to go out of topic, but they're rerunning the Kurt documentary and darn it, its kinda different! JL Pooley : I think they're in the library, Ubiquino. LauraP1808 : I think I have one on my refridgerator LeeAnn 1 : If you all want, we can upen this up to a free forum for the last fifteen minutes. JL Pooley : Different? How? Ubiquino : which library? JL Pooley : The baseball library. Sita895661 : There's some stuff added about Kurt's comeback.. Sita895661 : after his injury.. LeeAnn 1 : The AOL library. Ubiquino : thanks LeeAnn 1 : What did they add about it? JL Pooley : I figured they've have a few more shots of Viktor skating to The Bells again.... [g] LeeAnn 1 : Oh, by the way, have any of you heard of Outside Edge? Sita895661 : Well, you remember the part when Kurt started skating again.. LauraP1808 : Sorry, Ubiquino it's a 1993 schedule and it's a magnet JL Pooley : Yahhh, da da da DAH, da da dahhhhhhhhhh...... Faxel 1 : You mean Boitano's newsletter. JL Pooley : No, I haven't LeeAnn, what is it? JL Pooley : Oh, wait, didn't somebody post from that once? LeeAnn 1 : Yep. But I've heard that it isn't just him, but about a 30 page newsletter of currently published LeeAnn 1 : news articles. Not exactly Boitano's newsletter. It's separate from that, but it was started by a LeeAnn 1 : fan or group of his fans. Faxel 1 : That's what I meant. Sorry. LeeAnn 1 : Hello Ale Divin. JL Pooley : There's a lotta newsletters out there these days.... Sita895661 : Ever check out Brian Orser's newsletter.. Faxel 1 : If we get into newsletters, there are lots of fanzines out there. JL Pooley :